Curse

hellknight17 · Aug 26, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Why has Anet not changed Factions and Prophecies to drop inscribable weapons? Dont get me wrong i prefer the old system made weapons alot more valuable when they have fixed damage mods. But why have 2 one way and 2 another way? I would like if all weapons changed to inscriabable, been saving this gold crystalline from prophesies hoping it will be inscribable some day.

What are your thoughts on this?

Chestnut · Aug 26, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.

the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit.

They had better *NOT* change it.

Dzan · Aug 26, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Chestnut

.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.

the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit.

They had better *NOT* change it.

I hope they change it just to make people like you have something to post angrily about here.

Snow Bunny · Aug 26, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

This thread was already made.
It already became a flame-fest, a lot of which unfortunately ended up targeting Herb.
And from that thread it can be concluded a lot of people are bitter both ways, and that the GW community as a whole is split on this.
GG

Next time, please search before you start another thread...

GODh · Aug 26, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Chestnut

.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.

the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit.

They had better *NOT* change it.

Tbh i doubt that anyone cares if you loose money of this or not. All mentioned weapons already extist as an inscribale version. IMO paying more for a weapon with fixed stats instead of weapon with the same skin and same stats is something for people who are missing some braincells...

I will have 30 warrior heroes soon (all 10 profs with 3 warrior heroes each), so the price of req8 15^50 crystallines cant drop fast enough for me.

bilateralrope · Aug 27, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Chestnut

.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.

the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit.

They had better *NOT* change it.

Could you please produce a list of the weapons that will crash if made inscribible. These weapons would have to have the following characteristics:
1 - Be reasonably valuable now.
2 - Not have an inscribible version drop anywhere farmable. The HoH chest won't count here
3 - Have a high drop rate of non-max weapons with that skin.

Lets take Crystalline swords as an example. Well its counts for 1 and 2, however I've never even seen one drop meaning even if it was inscribible, it would still be a rare and thus valuable skin. So its doesn't belong on the list.

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Next time, please search before you start another thread...

The search function on guru is simply useless since they moved to a 3rd party system (if you pay them, I think you get to use the build in one which does work). For instance, please find a search string that will return this thread.

BLOODGOAT · Aug 27, 2007, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Correct me if I'm wrong... but wouldn't ArenaNet have to completely rework the item dropping scheme of both Tyria and Cantha? The only feasible reason that I can see for EotN having inscribable weapons is that they used schematics similar to that of Nightfall, being that it was the most prior release and decided to implement it in the earlier development of the expansion. They didn't make it, release it, wait a year or two, then decide, "Hey, maybe we should include inscribable weapons in this too!" No, because then they would have to completely rework it which would take a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing LOT of time and would also include a hefty game update.

That said, it is just my theory.

bilateralrope · Aug 27, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Yes ANET would have to change the drop tables for every single monster in Prophesies and Factions. However because its the same change every time, then depending on how the drop tables are setup I see one of two possibilities:
- The drop tables were designed to allow such gamewide changes later, meaning its not as much work to change what items drop.
- The drop tables weren't designed for such changes meaning that they need to make the same change lots of times. So I'd expect someone to write up a script that goes through and makes all the changes.

The only changes I see required are:
- Creating something that can be put in the drop table for weapons without inscribible variants.
- Changing the drop tables to remove the non-inscribible entries replace it with the corresponding inscribible one.

These should also only be code changes, so I'd be surprised if they are a few mb in size.

Once that is done and tested, writing a script to retroactively change all existing items should be quite doable. It will just take longer than the one to change all armors did because it has a lot more items to change. They might need a large update so that no-one notices the script in action.

mojave mango juice · Aug 27, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Also, prophecies and factions weapons have modifiers that you cannot find in NF or EotN. What about 15% damage -1 health/energy regeneration, or +10 armour vs dwarves/ogres/dragons/etc. Or those elusive 15% always weapons...not only would they have to change the way items drop, they would have to add new inscriptions/nerf these weapons.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 27, 2007, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by hellknight17

Why has Anet not changed Factions and Prophecies to drop inscribable weapons?

Because the increased number of usable drops would lead to increased mass in the GW world. The increased mass of the world would destroy the planet's orbit around whatever star and hurl the world into a fusion furnace of screaming death. Your characters would be reduced to their component atoms and Guild Wars would cease to exist.

Or so I've heard.

ShadowsRequiem · Aug 27, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Mass rioting

People would die.

bilateralrope · Aug 27, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by mojave mango juice

Also, prophecies and factions weapons have modifiers that you cannot find in NF or EotN. What about 15% damage -1 health/energy regeneration,

Yes, these inscriptions would need to be made. Actually they probably should be created even if this change doesn't go through.

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or +10 armour vs dwarves/ogres/dragons/etc.

These are suffix modifiers, not the inherent mods. So they can be left unchanged.

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Or those elusive 15% always weapons...

The only thing I've heard about these weapons is that they stopped dropping quite some time ago, which is why they are so rare. But because they can give a player a stat advantage in PvP, I feel they should get nerfed even if nothing else gets changed.

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not only would they have to change the way items drop,

How would they need to change the drop system ?
Instead of having the drop code call the code to generate a non-inscribible weapon, it goes and calls the one to generate an inscribible weapon like it does in Nightfall and GW:EN.

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they would have to add new inscriptions/nerf these weapons.

Its only adding 2 new inscriptions, which shouldn't be too much of a problem.

HawkofStorms · Aug 27, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Good grief, do we REALLY need to have this arguement again?
We all know your opinion bilateral. We all know mine and Herb's. Can we just stop having this conversation every time a forum scrub who doesn't use search suggests this? I don't think either side is ever going to be able to convince the other side, so lets just drop the discussion already.

maraxusofk · Aug 27, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by hellknight17

I would like if all weapons changed to inscriabable, been saving this gold crystalline from prophesies hoping it will be inscribable some day.

lololol
i love how the focus of ur starting statement is "im too cheap/poor to afford a real inscribable crystalline so anet please make one for me"

look, while i have no problem against making the weaposn that drop NOW inscribable, to change everything from the past to insribable is ridiculous. wut do the old school players who acquired 15>50 tyrians or r7 15>50 have to show for their time? nothing! nobody NEEDS 15>50 cyrstallines. if u want functionality, go to la or kamadan and buy a weapon wit inscription slot. wuts this, u can find a max dmg inscribable weapon for under 5k?!!?!?!?

keep everything as is. u hurt much more than help by changing old tyrian thigns inscribable because old players enjoy tyrian weapons and many casual gamers are happy with what they have. if a casual player wants a HIGH END hard to get item like a 15>50 crystalline, they should HAVE to work for it. if they jsut want to play game with max 15>50 items, there are more than enough out there.

i started this thread like 3 weeks ago and it got clsoed in like a week.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10183721

Dr Strangelove · Aug 27, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Good grief, do we REALLY need to have this arguement again?
We all know your opinion bilateral. We all know mine and Herb's. Can we just stop having this conversation every time a forum scrub who doesn't use search suggests this? I don't think either side is ever going to be able to convince the other side, so lets just drop the discussion already.

Clearly it hasn't changed yet because you, Herb, and Malice have Gaile locked in your basement.

You monsters!

manitoba1073 · Aug 27, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Clearly it hasn't changed yet because you, Herb, and Malice have Gaile locked in your basement.

You monsters!

And I have the key

And if you move close to inscribing them We'll torch the house.

pork soldier · Aug 27, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Dzan

I hope they change it just to make people like you have something to post angrily about here.

/agree

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Abedeus · Aug 27, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

/signed
They made armors same in all chapters inscribable, they should all weapons like that. I mean, why people farming in Nightfall should have better profits than Prophecies ones? Like I have a great Shadow Shield, that would really need a change from -2/enchanted to -5/20%. Or -2/stance. Sure, Im too poor/I dont want to waste cash on a same shield, that will cost 20k more than mine, just because it I didn't drop in DoA/RoT, but in FoW.

zwei2stein · Aug 27, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Yes ANET would have to change the drop tables for every single monster in Prophesies and Factions. However because its the same change every time, then depending on how the drop tables are setup I see one of two possibilities:
- The drop tables were designed to allow such gamewide changes later, meaning its not as much work to change what items drop.
- The drop tables weren't designed for such changes meaning that they need to make the same change lots of times. So I'd expect someone to write up a script that goes through and makes all the changes.

Anet already showed ability to change *all* drop tables simultaneously (Event drops), which means that your first asuumption is likely correct one.

Even if it was designed the other way, regular expresions are powerfull.

I would not excpet them to change xisting items thou, there is no point in doing that really.

It changing loot talbes is time consuming, they dont have to change all monsters, just endgame ones would do.

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Anyway, anet should change at least UW/FoW to get finally inscibable loot...

RhanoctJocosa · Aug 27, 2007, 08:20 AM // 08:20

Gold un-inscribable crystalline swords, etc., are sentimental in most cases, whether the damage mod is desirable or not.

Change all current drops to inscribable: sure, but keep any pre-existing ones as they are.